TNE and centaurs: A moral tangent

hyzmarca · Post by **hyzmarca** » Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:07 am

Ted the Flayer wrote:I might be wrong, but I was under the impression that Minotaurs weren't a culture/society, more like cursed humans that were "always chaotic evil" because of Baphomet. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that Minotaurs were kind of like gnolls in that regard.

I'm pretty sure that they're proud warrior race guys in Dragonlance.

Winnah · Post by **Winnah** » Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:18 am

One of the older D&D monster books said that one of the original minotaurs was a warrior that wished for great strength or something to that effect.

flare22 · Post by **flare22** » Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:48 am

Ted the Flayer wrote:I believe that BoVD said it wasn't cannibalism if you didn't get off from it. So a dragon eating a human wasn't evil, and eating your dead as a funeral rite or out of desperation wouldn't be evil, but Jeffrey Dammer would be smite-able.

ok by that logic warfare in DND just got way creepier i doubt very much gnomes would get off eating kobolds but if you just captures a bunch of kobolds and they have no worthwhile information and the cant be ransomed rather then waste resources feeding your prisoners you would eat them

Darth Rabbitt · Post by **Darth Rabbitt** » Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:13 am

Adventurers regularly slay creatures of all ages that when fully grown are vastly more intelligent than all but the brightest of humanoids and whose babies are around the same intelligence as an average human, and wear their skin as a hat.

What I'm getting that is that D&D warfare is really fucking creepy, if you think about it for a moment; creatures such as ghouls, vampires, and mind flayers are only about as grotesque as (if more evil than) dedicated dragon-slayers, and necromancers are only as dark as artificers (who make golems that require the soul of an elemental bound to them, and are often made of body parts besides.)

flare22 · Post by **flare22** » Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:33 am

thats true enough so why not add an element of eating you opponent it provides your army with another source of food not to mention all important protein not to mention it reduces the possibility dead soldiers will come back from the dead and to top it all off its not any more creepy then the practice of killing goblins witch tend to be the age of human children when they get murdered by adventurers

OgreBattle · Post by **OgreBattle** » Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:51 am

So Dragons can be your mom, your girlfriend, your dinner, and your hat all in one setting. A versatile fantasy critter.

flare22 · Post by **flare22** » Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:57 am

OgreBattle wrote:So Dragons can be your mom, your girlfriend, your dinner, and your hat all in one setting. A versatile fantasy critter.

do not forget they can be your slave your master your worst enemy and your mount as well

Count Arioch the 28th · Wed Feb 06, 2013 5:31 am

flare22 wrote:
do not forget they can be your slave your master your worst enemy and your mount as well

Holy crap! My ex-wife is a dragon! Explains a lot, actually.

RobbyPants · Post by **RobbyPants** » Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:14 pm

Winnah wrote:One of the older D&D monster books said that one of the original minotaurs was a warrior that wished for great strength or something to that effect.

The 2E Monstrous Manual had three things of note on minotaurs:

1) Their diet was listed as "man eater". Each monster in 2E had a diet line in their stat block, which typically had "carnivore", "omnivore", and "herbivore", but also with notable exceptions like "blood" (vampires) and "brains" (mind flayers). I'm pretty sure that minotaurs were the only "man eaters" in the book.

2) They listed a potential origin as a great warrior wished to be "as strong as a bull" and got cursed for it (or, basically, a typical AD&D-style, DM-fuckery wish).

3) It noted that there are only male minotaurs in the world. They propagate with human females. I can't remember if there are ever any female (human) offspring, or if they are always male minotaurs. Either way, they have some pretty heavily implied rape built right into the race.

TL;DR: Chaotic Evil alignment or not, their diet and reproductive descriptions make them a bunch of cannibalistic human-eating rapists by definition.

Count Arioch the 28th · Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:08 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AObtRQBq-QI

Darth Rabbitt · Post by **Darth Rabbitt** » Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:12 am

RobbyPants wrote: I'm pretty sure that minotaurs were the only "man eaters" in the book.

Grimlocks were Carnivorous (Human Flesh.)

OgreBattle · Post by **OgreBattle** » Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:25 am

flare22 wrote:
OgreBattle wrote:So Dragons can be your mom, your girlfriend, your dinner, and your hat all in one setting. A versatile fantasy critter.
do not forget they can be your slave your master your worst enemy and your mount as well

Ok, how about a novel, ok, about this guy whose...

mom is a dragon (so he's half dragon)
and he rides a dragon (who is also his girlfriend)
and his sidekick is an eddy murphie dragon
and he finds a mystic sword made from the Holy Dragon
and he has to fight the Dark Dragon

and his name is Drake.... Drake Crimson

Chamomile · Post by **Chamomile** » Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:15 am

He needs to be in a kinky relationship with the girlfriend to get the master/slave bit going.

Twist ending: They're all actually the same dragon with multiple personality disorder.

name_here · Post by **name_here** » Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:35 pm

OgreBattle wrote: mom is a dragon (so he's half dragon)
and he rides a dragon (who is also his girlfriend)
and his sidekick is an eddy murphie dragon
and he finds a mystic sword made from the Holy Dragon
and he has to fight the Dark Dragon

Fire Emblem six can have three and a half of those, depending on the canon ending of the prequel.

Mistborn · Post by **Mistborn** » Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:31 am

As for what counts as canibalism in D&D I assume if your humanoid anything of the humanoid type would be a not-kosher (given how similar the various humanoids are and how many of them can still interbreed). Eating say a Dragon after you've slain it is probly fine (and may give you minor superpowers) it's not like whoever you offend by killing the Dragon is going to let you off much easier if you don't eat it's delicious meat on top of mudering it and making parts of it in to fasioable attire.

flare22 · Post by **flare22** » Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:57 am

I don't think wether somthing can interbreed is a good measuring piont for canibalism considering humans and dragons can interbreed and that's mamal to reptile further outward apearance has nothing to do with genetic simarity for instance emperor penguins are more geneticaly diverse as a species then humans and every breed of dog including toy poodles are all but geneticaly identical to wolves

OgreBattle · Post by **OgreBattle** » Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:35 am

If it's bestiality, then it's not cannibalism.

and vice versa.